The Manipulative Playbook of James Henningson
A Dataset of Gaslighting, Deflection, and Narrative Control in Online Discourse
TL;DR:
A Dataset of Gaslighting, Deflection, and Narrative Control in Online Discourse
This dataset captures a pattern of manipulative communication tactics employed by James Henningson (aka mrjimmy, aka quattroquattro), primarily in the context of online discussions. Across multiple interactions, James engages in strategic deception, preemptive narrative control, gaslighting, and ad hominem attacks to maintain dominance and evade accountability.
Key takeaways from this dataset:
Gaslighting & Reality Distortion – Repeated attempts to discredit valid criticisms by dismissing them as “false narratives” or “bullshit.”
DARVO Tactics – Denial of wrongdoing, aggressive counterattacks, and positioning himself as the victim.
Preemptive Narrative Control – Establishing authority over institutional memory and history to frame events in his favor.
Ad Hominem & Character Attacks – Personal insults, intimidation, and strategic defamation to silence dissenters.
Deflection & False Equivalence – Shifting blame, making unrelated comparisons, and evading direct responsibility.
This dataset serves as a critical case study in manipulative online discourse, providing a record of linguistic and psychological manipulation techniques used to maintain control and undermine opposition.
mrjimmy - link
Board of Directors, President
July 2020
This video is full of outright lies.
Point 1. Mark claims to be a founder. Here is the history of our founding:
https://www.dprg.org/founding-of-the-dallas-maker-space/
and here:
https://www.dprg.org/dms-insights/
You can see in the notes from DPRG that Mark was "on the steering committee" but he was not the "Principal Founder." It’s interesting to note that another person on that list is the one and only @AndrewLeCody. I am sure he can provide more detail.
Point 2. Mark says he isn’t going into specific details, there is a reason for that, this video isn’t a “case study,” it’s gaslighting.
Point 3. The chart is based on public data, Mark holds no copyright on it in any way, shape, or form.
Point 4. In the data you can see how even though he presents it like we are in dire trouble, we have actually improved our position through sound financial management.
Our net income is up even with a decline in membership.
Point 5. Mark is including red herrings in the data to try and make the makerspace look bad. For example, the data point of banned members. He is attempting to imply that the board has been mean and this is somehow destroying the space, when in fact those bans have all been for legitimate well-documented reasons. When directly asked about who he would unban, Mark never has an answer. Yes, the current board didn’t ban very many people, and we did. Our reasons were:
Threats against members
Physical assaults
Financial fraud by officers or representatives of the space
Theft of assets from the space
Do any of those sound acceptable to any of you?
Another piece of garbage data Mark includes to try and make us look bad is the number of board meetings. Minutes are published for all of our meetings, no meeting is “secret” many are unscheduled. The reason for so many unscheduled meetings is twofold. First, due to the severity of the very first ban we had to handle, it was necessary to hold the meeting in private to protect the victim. After that, we moved all discipline meetings private to protect all parties involved. The second part is Expansion. It is not in the interest of the membership to create unnecessary delays by waiting for the scheduled board meeting to approve every expenditure. These meetings are documented, and we will probably have to have another one soon to approve the AC repair estimate. I am sure we would all agree that’s OK and we shouldn’t wait for the next board to schedule the August meeting to vote on if we should fix the AC.
In summary, what Mark is doing here is offensive, harmful to the makerspace, and dishonest. He is misrepresenting himself and the data. He is gaslighting the entire membership and he’s doing it publicly to try and con his way onto the board.
Please feel free to look through the data that he is talking about and consider it without his spin:
https://makerspacedata.com/Dallas-Makerspace/
If you want to get a clean copy of the data, let @ESmith know and access will be provided.
Don’t fall for Mark and the Blue Tape groups attempt at gaslighting.
mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President - link
July 2020
Hello Makers,
It pains me to have to write this but there is something the membership needs to understand about our recent history. Many of the newer members may not be aware of this, but Blue Tape is part of the rally cry of the principal people that have been expelled from the makerspace and reported to the police for financial crimes.
When the current board was seated in 2019 we were in bad financial shape, we were bleeding money. We began an effort to tighten our belts and put us on sound financial footing to complete expansion. This included cutting back on needless expenses such as red solo cups and blue painters tape. It may not sound like a big deal but we were spending a lot of money on them. This simple act of belt tightening became a public point for Kris Anderson and Stan Simmons to attack the board with. Their claim was we were not supporting the community.
What we didn’t know at the time is that they were trying to distract us from their bigger crimes. In Stan’s case he was issuing himself gift cards by bypassing the bank and creating them directly in our billing system. He would then use these gift cards to pay his membership. This is wire fraud.
In Kris’s case she was using the DMS credit card to rent Uhauls for personal use. She did this to the tune of several thousand dollars. When she was on the board it was noticed and the treasurer and members of the finance committee tried to investigate. She then retaliated by banning them.
All of the evidence is publicly posted for the membership to review.
It bears remembering what we had when we had More Blue Tape the first time:
Rampant alcohol and substance abuse at the space
Drug addicts threatening violence against members
A homeless encampment behind the space in violation of our lease’
Theft from the organization by the leadership of the organization
Intimidation and bullying from the leadership of the organization
Assaults on members that went unaddressed by the leadership
It truly breaks my heart that I have to post this. The vast majority of our membership is amazing people. I don’t believe the blue tape candidates represent the overall membership, but I do believe based on their own campaign website and Mark Havens' recent gaslighting video that they do intend to take advantage of the low voter turnout due to Covid-19 and the new members that didn’t know Kris to try and return to the old days.
I hope I am not alone in wanting to avoid a return to those days.
Thank you, James
mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President — link
Replying to Lampy
July 2020
Lampy:
Whomever prepared this graph does not count honorarium as a liability.
There is a lot of cherry picking going on in these numbers.
It’s unlikely that Mark will provide any real data or explanation, that’s not his intent. His intent is to gaslight the membership and scare them into voting for him and his crew.
mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President — link
Replying to @uglyknees
July 2020
It would be funnier if we weren’t busting our ass trying to keep the place safe and running while these members are actively gaslighting the membership against us.
I try to keep perspective by remembering that the vast majority of members are like you, and the other people who have commented here. They are awesome, creative people who care about the space and their fellow members and are willing to contribute to the space for the betterment of the space, not just their own self-interest.
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mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President — link
Replying to rlisbona
July 2020
There are so many things in Mark Havens' chart that are misleading... He’s not going to defend them because his only intent was to gaslight us.
He’s already produced two other videos, neither of which addresses the stuff he is “working on” in this video.
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mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President — link
Replying to Lampy
July 2020
Here are some highlight quotes:
4:45
Interviewee says:
"Nobody will teach a class unless they have $50 or a $100 bucks coming their way."
This is something we have actively been trying to address. There are multiple threads about it on talk. We have listened to the membership and made adjustments to the honorarium system that are financially sound and encourage more teaching.
Here is one of the current threads:
Crazy Dumb Honorarium Idea – DMS General
"I'm surprised none of the folks who manage the calendar haven’t spoken up. As I understand it, our calendar system is cheap and simple and does not lend itself to this kind of complicated programming. It would have to be something monitored on a spreadsheet by somebody. So, it would be either Yet Another Volunteer Opportunity, or more overload for one of the current volunteers."
There are many others to choose from.
Mark is implying that we are not addressing this concern and that's just a lie.
The issues with the calendar system and honorarium the interviewee is describing happened 2.5 years ago, and have long been addressed with both improved code and improved process. Mark knows this, his fellow candidate reply Max is a prolific teacher who has no issues using the system and collecting honorarium for himself and the committee.
At 10:20 Mark says it shouldn’t be a second job, I don’t work all day to go work at the makerspace.
Excuse me? What on earth does he think it means to serve on a volunteer board?
The amount of tasks the board faces every day is a second job. We do it for free because we love the space and the community.
I have no idea what he expects is going to happen should he get on the board but I think this is a clear indication of what the Dallas makerspace will get from him on the board.
That should be their slogan “I don’t work all day, just to go work at the makerspace!”
Their trolling is insulting to the directors and officers who give work every day to keep the makerspace open, well operating, and safe for its members.
mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President — link
Replying to zmetzing
July 2020
We don’t dispute he’s been here since the beginning, but as it’s been pointed out by many of the people who were there and involved, it was a group effort that began well before him and well before the paperwork.
To claim principal founder is just more evidence of that creepy/slimy feeling.
mrjimmy – Board of Directors, President — link
Replying to Haley_Moore
July 2020
In every business I’ve worked at a principal is the main stakeholder of the line of business. They supply the vision and direction for the whole line of business they are in charge of.
That’s the offensive part to me, it’s clear from the published history and the people here who were there then, that it was a group effort. Everyone, even Mark, deserves equal credit.
Now a decade later he’s trying to play it off that he was the “principal” founder. Like it was his vision and his leadership that guided all of his assistants to build this place. He never outright says it, he just implies it to gaslight everyone who was there or who questions his version of history.
2024 Statement of Intent - James Henningson — link
Created by James Henningson, last modified by Julie Harris on Mar 20, 2024
I, James Henningson, am submitting my Statement of Intent to run for the Board of Directors.
Many of you already know me, but for those that don’t here is some background on me, and the work I’ve been involved in at the space.
I’ve been a member for almost 9 years now. Lately I’m most active in Jewelry, but I’ve done projects in almost every area of the space. I am currently the president of the space, and I have served on 4 previous boards, including during the first round of expansion and during the pandemic. I also give tours to new members almost every Saturday, so if you don’t know me by name you still may have met me on your tour.
I truly enjoy the time I spend at the space. I find it incredibly rewarding to be able to be a part of our shared maker journey.
I didn’t run for the board last term because we had a good set of candidates and my job was taking a lot of my time. I knew I couldn’t give the space and its membership the time and focus it deserves.
Since then I have started a new job and will be able to devote time to focus on my volunteer work.
If elected to the board again I pledge to work with the same dedication that I gave on my previous terms. I also have some goals I would like to accomplish in the upcoming term.
Improve our integration with the city of Carrollton. This process began through my PR work as president, we will be taking part in a few upcoming city events and I would like to see that grow. It will aid us in growing our membership as well as raising awareness in the community.
Complete the expansion. We are in the final stretch, the estimates are coming in as I write this. I bring a wealth of historical knowledge to the project and would like to see it through to the end.
Improve our volunteer engagement. This is another initiative that began during my term as president. We have upcoming Teacher Appreciation events and Member Appreciation events that I would like to see become part of our regular member outreach to build a more cohesive community.
Increase membership. I believe this will come organically when expansion is completed, but it must be managed properly to ensure that new members are onboarded and have a clear path to making. If we don’t actively coordinate this we will see a lot of churn in our new membership which isn’t good for the community as a whole. Increasing membership will also improve our cash flow, which is necessary for the long-term success of DMS.
I hope that I can count on your vote and thank you for your consideration.
[5/16/2020 9:30 PM] mark.randall
Andrew, you’ve really blossomed into quite a narcissistic prince of deniability and lies. I suppose I expected that you would develop a reputation for turning on people and for perpetuating a culture of hate mongering. My impulse is to blame your adolescent leadership experience as a CEO in Eve Online, except everybody know DMS isn’t a video game. No, it’s all my fault, I suppose. I set a really poor example for you while I was fighting with members of the DPRG in 2010. I never thought you’d follow in my footsteps to the ends of glorifying the darkest part of my leadership style from back then. Now, it’s 2020, and you’re blackmailing, intimidating, and suing people, just like I did whenever I let my ego lead my decision making instead of my conscience.
[5/16/2020 9:30 PM] mark.randall
Now here we are. You’ve passed around an inditement like it’s a judgement, knowing full well that there’s court papers that reduced and then dismissed all charges. I grew weed as a hobby in 2012 and 2013. Cops found bud, leaves, stems, and seeds in 2015. Most of what was found wasn’t smokable, but granted, we had enough pot to keep a wife and me stocked up for a while without needing or even knowing a dealer. And the bottle of Crisco they found that I would make brownies with? I used an ounce of weed to make it. Sorry to disappoint you. But, as much as you’d love to label me some sort of dangerous drug dealer to satisfy that chip on your shoulder and keep me off the board, it’s not going to happen. You are now embarrassing yourself. You certainly know my hydroponic and aquaponic background. My libertarian views and experiences with pot haven’t been a secret since I was 19. But now that I’m running for Board, you’ve suddenly decided that I’m a drug dealer? Honestly? Earnestly? After trying to manipulate me on this issue, presumably to keep me from running? I ran BECAUSE you tried to manipulate me, dude. I ran and outed my own pot history BECAUSE you made your petty intentions pretty clear when you PMed me in January. And everyone I trusted outside your little circle already had the whole story long before I decided to run. The WHOLE story has never been a secret. You know I’m not known for keeping secrets. Not even from you. None of the nonsense that you ever spout off about me has ever fit the greater context of reality. And it’s pretty clear to me and a great multitude of others that you are being a mean, petty, manipulative, and self-serving child.
[5/16/2020 9:30 PM] mark.randall
You have set an example for others that rewards contempt, deception, half-truths, and FUD. And you have come to despise me and spread poison because you feel you deserve to be founder of Dallas Makerspace. Son, maybe I was in denial when we first met, or maybe I just didn’t have a whole lot to work with in terms of willing leadership, but I remember sometime in 2011 or 2012, as soon as I heard you speak to your leadership motivations about Dallas Makerspace, and how you wanted to be the next Napoleon or the next Caesar, I felt you and I had a serious mismatch of values. My values are focused on others, not the self glorification of accomplishments. It’s about achieving goals for the community, not to satisfy my own ego. I should have dropped you sooner. But that’s why I began mentoring Robert Davidson and stopped spending time with you. There might still be hope for Robert, but you son are a lost cause, and I think you already know it. At your age, if Eve Online and Dallas Makerspace have been your only notable leadership venues in life, then I think that says it all.
[5/16/2020 9:31 PM] mark.randall
All this said, when the time comes, if we are ever forced to work together again, I will be true to my word. I will forgive and forget your past character assignations against me. But you need to work on your eye contact. Avoiding eye contact often communicates feelings of shame. If you are ashamed to look me in the eye, you won’t have to be if I’m elected. But just because I forgive and forget your past transgressions against me doesn’t mean I have no memory of your values or abilities. You will never be my first choice for any leadership role beyond a technical team lead. We need good technical team leads. And you are probably one of the top 20 team leads I know. Hell, look what you did for Dallas Makerspace. Good work during those first few years. Thank you. I just wish you could have grown with the organization.
[5/16/2020 9:34 PM] aceat64
lol Mark I don't know who you think you remember, but it ain't me
[5/16/2020 9:35 PM] mark.randall
I think you know that’s not true.
[5/16/2020 9:35 PM] yashsedai
Mark, it makes a great story. Albeit a not very believable one.
[5/16/2020 9:36 PM] mark.randall
Freddy, I have nothing to prove. Certainly not to you.
[5/16/2020 9:37 PM] agr0090
Is the board of directors campaign still going? When are elections?
[5/16/2020 9:37 PM] yashsedai
You don't need to prove anything to me, but you could at least come up with something better than that. People who haven't observed you don't know what you are...
[5/16/2020 9:37 PM] aceat64
I have to admit, on one hand it's an interesting experience being the subject of these weird conspiracy theories, but it's also a bit concerning
[5/16/2020 9:38 PM] yashsedai
@aceat64 I think you should take it as a compliment. You are a threat to him.
[5/16/2020 9:39 PM] aceat64
lol
[5/16/2020 9:39 PM] michaelb5250
@AGr From Erik on talk: "EDIT 3: I have suspended the entirety of the election timeline. I will reschedule it once we have clarity from state and local officials on when and how we might re-open the Makerspace."
[5/16/2020 9:39 PM] mark.randall
Andrew is spouting misinformation. He is certainly a threat to my reputation. And he’s been somewhat successful with you, Freddy, for sure.
[5/16/2020 9:39 PM] yashsedai
Mark, who do you think searched up the documents...
[5/16/2020 9:39 PM] yashsedai
It sure wasn't Andrew...
[5/16/2020 9:39 PM] yashsedai
Nice try though.
[5/16/2020 9:40 PM] mark.randall
LoL... doesn’t matter.
[5/16/2020 9:40 PM] aceat64
what exactly was misinformation?
[5/16/2020 9:40 PM] mark.randall
Documents are public record.
[5/16/2020 9:40 PM] aceat64
I just played through a thought experiment on the valuation of the drugs in that document of your arrest
[5/16/2020 9:41 PM] aceat64
big fan of /r/theydidthemath/
[5/16/2020 9:41 PM] mark.randall
Indeed. Must have been a fun fantasy for you, Andrew.
[5/16/2020 9:41 PM] aceat64
it was pretty fun
[5/16/2020 9:41 PM] yashsedai
I think any rational individual can agree that having a stoner as a board member who got popped with distribution weight ain't what anyone is on board with
[5/16/2020 9:42 PM] yashsedai
I made a funny hahaha
[5/16/2020 9:42 PM] mark.randall
Except that is a false narrative, Freddy.
[5/16/2020 9:42 PM] yashsedai
Is it?
[5/16/2020 9:42 PM] mark.randall
Yes.
[5/16/2020 9:42 PM] yashsedai
Sorry bud
[5/16/2020 9:43 PM] yashsedai
The evidence log suggests otherwise
[5/16/2020 9:43 PM] aceat64
this was a good way to pass the day, since I couldn't get much done due to rain
[5/16/2020 9:43 PM] mark.randall
Yet, the DA agrees with my narrative. Internet searches won’t tell the whole story.
[5/16/2020 9:44 PM] yashsedai
Good for him, doesn't change the fact about what the police seized....
[5/16/2020 9:44 PM] mark.randall
But feel free to make up any other narrative. But anything you dream about will be fiction.
[5/16/2020 9:44 PM] yashsedai
You can spin it any way you want, but that part is written down on paper
[5/16/2020 9:45 PM] mark.randall
There’s no shame in having pot. You against legalization?
[5/16/2020 9:45 PM] yashsedai
Nice try at redirection.
[5/16/2020 9:45 PM] mark.randall
You know what else is written down on paper? My case being dismissed.
[5/16/2020 9:45 PM] aceat64
lol
[5/16/2020 9:45 PM] yashsedai
As if that makes you any less guilty
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] yashsedai
"i was a good boy and didnt get caught on probation"
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] yashsedai
....
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] aceat64
by that logic I was never speeding, since the ticket was deferred and then dismissed
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] mark.randall
Guilty of having pot? I think I’ve made that pretty public.
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] yashsedai
Take some ownership
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] mark.randall
I just did.
[5/16/2020 9:46 PM] yashsedai
You made some half assed excuse that you wouldn't have gotten caught if it hadn't been for a mean ole wifey
[5/16/2020 9:47 PM] yashsedai
Thats just plain sad
[5/16/2020 9:47 PM] yashsedai
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"....comes to mind
[5/16/2020 9:48 PM] mark.randall
Oh yes, I was seriously betrayed... because having pot was a crime. It just isn’t one that is serious.
[5/16/2020 9:49 PM] mark.randall
Pot is not a serious crime anymore fellas. It’s a speeding ticket now. And if you grow it or make brownies, you might even get arrested. But it’s not a serious crime.
[5/16/2020 9:49 PM] anutterbutter
Eh, ok, breaking the law just a little bit is ok.
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[5/16/2020 9:50 PM] yashsedai
That is the crux of the issue
[5/16/2020 9:50 PM] mark.randall
If you have a problem with that though, do something about it.
[5/16/2020 9:50 PM] yashsedai
It's ok to break the law that I don't agree with
[5/16/2020 9:50 PM] mark.randall
No, it’s a risk.
[5/16/2020 9:50 PM] mark.randall
Pot that is.
[5/16/2020 9:50 PM] mark.randall
Not crimes in general.
[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] yashsedai
Applying that to DMS business, this is what makes you an absolutely terrible candidate. Supposing you continue to use.....
[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] mark.randall
LoL
[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] mark.randall
Dude, you’re a nobody.
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[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] yashsedai
Oh?
[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] mark.randall
Stop talking.
[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] yashsedai
I think I've found the right issue here
[5/16/2020 9:51 PM] mark.randall
You’ve demonstrated contempt to the membership.
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] mark.randall
And you’ve run people off.
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] yashsedai
Oh?
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] yashsedai
Do tell
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] mark.randall
And was forced to quit as “CTO”...
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] yashsedai
There was no force to quit 🙂
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[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] mark.randall
Oh?
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] rayearth42
That's completely incorrect
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] aceat64
wait, Raffi is that you?
[5/16/2020 9:52 PM] mark.randall
You has formal complaints filed against you yes?
[5/16/2020 9:53 PM] nullinterface
> And was forced to quit as “CTO”...
You are quite ill-informed
[5/16/2020 9:53 PM] yashsedai
Formal complaints had fuck all to do with my resignation
[5/16/2020 9:53 PM] mark.randall
My narrative is false?
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] mark.randall
Oh, well... the public documents tell me something different. But surely you know more than me.
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] yashsedai
Which documents would that be?
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] yashsedai
I'd love to see one that said I was forced to resign or terminated
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] aceat64
maybe he means the Form 428 (Rejection of Appointment)
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] yashsedai
haha
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] mark.randall
Documents like the meeting minutes?
[5/16/2020 9:54 PM] mark.randall
Oh yes, the other false narrative
[5/16/2020 9:55 PM] yashsedai
Seems like someone has a problem with reading comprehension
[5/16/2020 9:55 PM] anutterbutter
Nice soap.
[5/16/2020 9:55 PM] aceat64
still would love to hear why you told us off about that whole thing
[5/16/2020 9:56 PM] mark.randall
Really? What would you know about it? You weren’t part of that venture.
[5/16/2020 9:56 PM] aceat64
neither were the two people you listed as directors
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[5/16/2020 9:56 PM] mark.randall
But I expect you thought i was a threat. Wanting to help other Makerspaces and all.
[5/16/2020 9:56 PM] yashsedai
I think the better question is why he felt the need to tell me I'm a nobody after I pointed out that his moral terpitude issues would make him a terrible candidate.
[5/16/2020 9:56 PM] mark.randall
Andrew, that’s misinformation also.
[5/16/2020 9:56 PM] aceat64
except I've consistently helped advise loads of other spaces, and answered questions openly and honestly
[5/16/2020 9:57 PM] aceat64
oh, so you're saying these two people lied straight to my face?
[5/16/2020 9:57 PM] mark.randall
Yes, but when I do it, you betray our friendship.
[5/16/2020 9:57 PM] anutterbutter
G'nite kids, don't go breaking no laws til the morning.
[5/16/2020 9:57 PM] yashsedai
night john boy
[5/16/2020 9:58 PM] mark.randall
No, I’m saying you Andrew, lies.
[5/16/2020 9:58 PM] mark.randall
Lied.
[5/16/2020 9:58 PM] aceat64
about what?
[5/16/2020 9:59 PM] mark.randall
Well, these days, I guess I wouldn’t know where to start. Being a founder of Dallas makerspace, for example.
[5/16/2020 10:00 PM] aceat64
lol
[5/16/2020 10:00 PM] mark.randall
I mean, Jesus dude.
[5/16/2020 10:01 PM] aceat64
I honestly don't understand your issue here
[5/16/2020 10:03 PM] mark.randall
When I talked to Oguz and Romeo... two of my best friends by the way, they said you intimidated them and didn’t want to be part of the makerspace incubator anymore.
[5/16/2020 10:03 PM] aceat64
hahah bullshit
[5/16/2020 10:03 PM] aceat64
@Nodoze
[5/16/2020 10:03 PM] nullinterface
when was DMS an incubator?
[5/16/2020 10:03 PM] mark.randall
Oh really?!!
[5/16/2020 10:03 PM] aceat64
Mark, you do realize Romeo is actually one of my best friends, right?
[5/16/2020 10:04 PM] mark.randall
If that’s true, than he would be playing us both, or you are lying. And I tend to side with Romeo.
[5/16/2020 10:05 PM] mark.randall
Oguz formally stepped down from that disaster in 2016.
[5/16/2020 10:05 PM] mark.randall
And it was a disaster because of your bullshit.
[5/16/2020 10:05 PM] mark.randall
So, thanks for that.
[5/16/2020 10:06 PM] aceat64
lol dude you are so full of shit
[5/16/2020 10:07 PM] quattroquattro
@mark.randall I guess you are high again. Still a crime in Texas by the way.
[5/16/2020 10:07 PM] mark.randall
Really? What would I have to gain by putting down people I know if my intention was malicious?
[5/16/2020 10:07 PM] mark.randall
I could have used random names.
[5/16/2020 10:07 PM] aceat64
you used people you thought wouldn't mind it
[5/16/2020 10:08 PM] quattroquattro
@mark.randall I suppose that you could add people to create the appearance of legitimacy
[5/16/2020 10:08 PM] mark.randall
You’ve got that right. Because they agreed to it already.
[5/16/2020 10:08 PM] quattroquattro
Since you don't have any of that
[5/16/2020 10:08 PM] aceat64
and now you're straight up lying about them wanting to be a part of it and that I somehow intimidated them
[5/16/2020 10:08 PM] aceat64
I didn't even know about your thing until they came to me asking for help about it
[5/16/2020 10:08 PM] mark.randall
Bullshit.
[5/16/2020 10:09 PM] aceat64
yes, your actions were
[5/16/2020 10:09 PM] mark.randall
This is the problem right here.
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[5/16/2020 10:09 PM] mark.randall
I let this issue pass years ago... because this drama is disruptive.
[5/16/2020 10:10 PM] quattroquattro
@mark.randall who to believe, the guy that was proven right about Kris Anderson's fraud and has been transparent in everything he's done or the drug dealer who commits fraud? Tough call there
[5/16/2020 10:11 PM] mark.randall
The issue goes further back than this bullshit.
[5/16/2020 10:12 PM] quattroquattro
The drug dealing issue or the fraud issue@
[5/16/2020 10:13 PM] mark.randall
Both issues are fiction.
[5/16/2020 10:13 PM] aceat64
man, I stepped back from leadership because I just wanted to be able to make stuff, I only partially got dragged back in to deal with the fraud
[5/16/2020 10:13 PM] quattroquattro
The court records seem to indicate otherwise chief
[5/16/2020 10:13 PM] mark.randall
Great... stop pulling me into your drama, Andrew...
[5/16/2020 10:13 PM] quattroquattro
Actually that was Raffi
[5/16/2020 10:14 PM] quattroquattro
He was defending your conviction because it was only skunk weed
[5/16/2020 10:14 PM] aceat64
yup, I'm content to not talk about this stuff, Raffi said my argument was bullshit, I don't bring this stuff up myself because it's just not important to me
[5/16/2020 10:14 PM] quattroquattro
But then I guess he was only doing that because you are running for the board
[5/16/2020 10:14 PM] mark.randall
Court documents show there was no dealing, sport.
[5/16/2020 10:15 PM] mark.randall
Great. I’ll mind your own business, if you mind your own business.
[5/16/2020 10:15 PM] mark.randall
my own business
[5/16/2020 10:15 PM] aceat64
stop trying to fuck up DMS and I won't even think about you
[5/16/2020 10:15 PM] mark.randall
You do the same, and I won’t think about you either.
[5/16/2020 10:15 PM] aceat64
I really don't care what you do otherwise
[5/16/2020 10:16 PM] aceat64
clearly I have taken residence in your mind lol
[5/16/2020 10:16 PM] yashsedai
Lol as I noted before Andrew, he's threatened by you 🙂
[5/16/2020 10:16 PM] mark.randall
Oh, you have... certainly. I was once really proud of you. Still am in many ways.
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[5/16/2020 10:16 PM] aceat64
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[5/16/2020 10:16 PM] quattroquattro
You mean the deferred adjudication where you plead out to a lesser charge
[5/16/2020 10:17 PM] yashsedai
Mark, do you still smoke weed and keep it ?
[5/16/2020 10:17 PM] quattroquattro
Hard to have any respect for someone with your history and record
[5/16/2020 10:18 PM] mark.randall
Yes, my choice was risking life in prison... or... dropping the charges after some community service. Easy choice.
[5/16/2020 10:18 PM] quattroquattro
Or you could have not been in possession of all that weed
[5/16/2020 10:18 PM] mark.randall
Yes, probably foolish in this state. But I took that risk.
[5/16/2020 10:19 PM] quattroquattro
Which is why you would suck as an office or director at the space
[5/16/2020 10:19 PM] nullinterface
It was what ... 2kg in total?
[5/16/2020 10:19 PM] quattroquattro
You have shit judgement and zero credibility
[5/16/2020 10:19 PM] mark.randall
Apparently that’s not true for everyone. But thanks for your perspective.
[5/16/2020 10:20 PM] mark.randall
Who are you again? Your real name?
[5/16/2020 10:20 PM] quattroquattro
True, I think you have Raffi and dracos votes
[5/16/2020 10:20 PM] yashsedai
HAHA
[5/16/2020 10:20 PM] yashsedai
well all know that Draco doesn't get a vote 😛
[5/16/2020 10:21 PM] yashsedai
He got one!
[5/16/2020 10:21 PM] quattroquattro
Why you want my name? We gonna start a charity together?
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[5/16/2020 10:21 PM] mark.randall
You guys are hilarious.
[5/16/2020 10:22 PM] yashsedai
Hey Mark, I hear ACME might agree with your moral standards, plus all your really important buds are there 🙂
[5/16/2020 10:22 PM] mark.randall
Been a real hoot. Hate this platform, personally. Not that IRC was any better.
[5/16/2020 10:23 PM] yashsedai
Be sure to take raffi with you
[5/16/2020 10:23 PM] yashsedai
he seems to idolize you for some reason
[5/16/2020 10:24 PM] mark.randall
We’ve never met Freddy. But the stories are true. If we ever meet in person, you’ll probably end up being one of my best friends eventually.
[5/16/2020 10:24 PM] yashsedai
oh?
[5/16/2020 10:24 PM] mark.randall
Try me.
[5/16/2020 10:24 PM] yashsedai
what qualities do you have to offer?
[5/16/2020 10:25 PM] mark.randall
In person.
[5/16/2020 10:25 PM] yashsedai
and we have met in person
[5/16/2020 10:25 PM] mark.randall
Not really. I’ve heard you say “excuse me”
[5/16/2020 10:25 PM] yashsedai
i found you to be everything the rumors said about you.
[5/16/2020 10:25 PM] mark.randall
No conversations though.
[5/16/2020 10:27 PM] mark.randall
I’m sorry, if we did have a conversation, I don’t remember.
[5/16/2020 10:27 PM] aceat64
@yashsedai is very forgettable
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[5/16/2020 10:27 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/16/2020 10:27 PM] yashsedai
its true, my presence is quite small
[5/16/2020 10:27 PM] quattroquattro
I had a conversation with you once, you creeped me out.
[5/16/2020 10:28 PM] mark.randall
I get creepy a lot... it’s in my public profile. 🙂
[5/16/2020 10:28 PM] aceat64
oh hey, Mark do you have that spreadsheet where you made assessments of the membership on stuff like "attitude"?
[5/16/2020 10:29 PM] mark.randall
From 2010?
[5/16/2020 10:29 PM] aceat64
yeah
[5/16/2020 10:29 PM] aceat64
I think Haley had a 1 🤣
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[5/16/2020 10:29 PM] quattroquattro
That's klassy
[5/16/2020 10:29 PM] mark.randall
I haven’t thought about it in years...
[5/16/2020 10:31 PM] rayearth42
A spreadsheet list of members...not creepy at all.
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[5/16/2020 10:32 PM] mark.randall
Haley and me did get into it back then, and I even filed a lawsuit against her. But it was resolved and worked out through a mutual friend one of those Thursday in the parking lot..
[5/16/2020 10:32 PM] yashsedai
super klassy
[5/16/2020 10:32 PM] mark.randall
Not really, no.
[5/16/2020 10:32 PM] mark.randall
It should have been handled better.
[5/16/2020 11:04 PM] toenolla
Ah yes, the famous lawsuit you threatened me with for speaking up about your consistent bad behavior. We didn't resolve anything, dude. You whined at me in the parking lot for like an hour and I'm pretty sure these are the first words I've said to you since.
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[5/16/2020 11:06 PM] aceat64
no wonder he gave you a 1 for attitude 🤣
[5/16/2020 11:08 PM] toenolla
I'm a hellion! Rar!
[5/16/2020 11:44 PM] mark.randall
It’s not famous, and it’s a decade old memory that apparently meant more to me than it did to you, although I hardly remember the details of it now. I remember it being resolved. If it wasn’t for you, that’s not my problem anymore.
[5/16/2020 11:47 PM] mark.randall
I still regret kicking you out of that photo though.
[5/16/2020 11:48 PM] mark.randall
You were around a lot before we got going... always involved... kicking you out of that photo was a mistake.
[5/16/2020 11:49 PM] mark.randall
And I’m sorry I did that to you. I didn’t mean to make you feel like you weren’t important to the space. You were.
[5/16/2020 11:49 PM] toenolla
Look, this is ancient history, and I appreciate that. But having moved past it and having it resolved are different.
[5/16/2020 11:49 PM] toenolla
I accept your apology, thank you.
[5/16/2020 11:51 PM] toenolla
The thing is, that photo was not the issue. It was the harassment, and the misuse of power.
[5/16/2020 11:51 PM] mark.randall
I suppose moving past it was a better way of describing what happened.
[5/16/2020 11:54 PM] mark.randall
I’m not sure we are going to agree on perspectives... I regret some of the tactics I used with the DPRG, for sure...
[5/16/2020 11:54 PM] toenolla
I certainly agree. I'd appreciate if you didn't imply that our mediation ended in us coming to any sort of agreement.
[5/16/2020 11:56 PM] mark.randall
Perhaps my unspoken agreement was not to pursue the issue afterwords. And I didn’t.
[5/16/2020 11:56 PM] mark.randall
I only recall putting it behind me after that.
[5/16/2020 11:57 PM] toenolla
Unspoken agreements are not agreements. That's called an assumption. And I think that speaks to the real reason we're in DMS politics chat talking about this. How many people do you consult before deciding something is ok, or do you just assume?
[5/17/2020 12:00 AM] mark.randall
I make lots of assumptions about things every day... I might not be using all the best words to describe everything... but if it helps keep this in the past by agreeing that we didn’t agree to anything, I’m okay with that.
[5/17/2020 12:04 AM] toenolla
Cool. Now, can you admit to defrauding the space? Honestly, the damage you've done to other members is more important to me. And I know it's more relevant to this channel.
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[5/17/2020 12:04 AM] mark.randall
I never defrauded the Space, sorry.
[5/17/2020 12:05 AM] mark.randall
That’s simply another false narrative.
[5/17/2020 12:11 AM] toenolla
Dude, the more you cry "fake news" the less people are going to believe you.
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[5/17/2020 12:36 AM] mark.randall
Haley, the more that complete strangers and estranged friends make false and baseless accusations about decade old drama, the more people seek me out to understand what the hell is going on.
[5/17/2020 7:55 AM] quattroquattro
How is it false and baseless? The paperwork is all posted for everyone to read. I mean one side has evidence the other has claims of fake news.
[5/17/2020 8:00 AM] quattroquattro
I mean for fuck sake, you start trying to claim you successfully mediated a dispute with someone and moments later they are here saying "no, you didn't"
You admit to having kept a spreadsheet of members to track their attitude, like some kind of stalker hit list.
You deny the severity of your arrest and deferred adjudication, and yet the court papers are publicly available...
I'd ask what you are smoking, but we already know that, it's in your arrest record...
[5/17/2020 8:42 AM] mark.randall
My estranged former friends and their friends who are strangers to me are free to continue with false narratives that fill in the gaps with fantasy and other made up bullshit. If you are compelled to do so, I actually advise you continue to make up bullshit and pose other false narratives. Any support you offer me will surely alienate you from your friends, just as it did with Raffi and Draco. Except alienation is just the beginning. You’ll be mocked, persecuted, and harassed too. So keep all the bullshit coming for your own the sake. But if someday you accidentally say something that might be interpreted as supportive of someone like me, and your “friends” end up turning on you because of it, please don’t quit DMS like many others have. You won’t have to look long to find an alternative group of people at DMS that will accept and respect you for exactly who you are, without feeling pressured to be someone you’re not.
[5/17/2020 9:06 AM] quattroquattro
I've read about and experienced enough Draco personally to know if that's your support then you don't have any. Jury is out on Raffi. He's nice in person but damn is he an edgelord when he's on the keyboard. I think he just needs this covid shit to be over and he'll be ok again. As it stands I don't see myself ever sinking to the level where I would proclaim anything supportive of someone like you.
[5/17/2020 9:10 AM] mark.randall
Thanks for your candor, whoever you are.
[5/17/2020 9:16 AM] quattroquattro
Mark, my issue with you is that you are running for the board and all these people bring up valid questions about your ethics and behavior. All your answers either brush asside your poor behavior or they try and throw the blame on the people that pointed out your behavior. I have yet to see any meaningful answer from you. The answers we do get are trite and sarcastic and don't address the behavior in question. In short it seems clear that you have not changed your ways on any of the matters anyone has reported about you.
[5/17/2020 9:19 AM] mark.randall
These people bring up neither valid questions or concerns. I’m happy to discuss reality with anyone. I have, and I do.
[5/17/2020 9:21 AM] mark.randall
But I won’t be addressing the details of a fictional account. Obviously, I can’t. You’ll have to get those details from whoever made up the bullshit.
[5/17/2020 9:38 AM] quattroquattro
See, there it is right there. Right here in this thread You brought up the lawsuit with Haley, she shows up and says your story is false. And now you imply it's not a valid question and tell me to get the details from whomever made up the "bullshit" but as we can see right here in your own responses, that's you...
[5/17/2020 9:38 AM] quattroquattro
Bless your heart...
[5/17/2020 10:04 AM] ferricyanide7475
Soooo if 3.3 pounds is personally use, how much did/do you smoke a day? And how do you afford such an expensive habit?
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[5/17/2020 11:37 AM] rayearth42
Wow. I almost hope that drugs are responsible for the pages of incoherent rambling that I scrolled past. If not you should probably get that checked out. Are you going to stop or reduce your drug use if elected to the board or is this what we should expect from you as a board member?
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[5/17/2020 12:51 PM] anutterbutter
What? Why? Why did you try to sue Haley Mark?
[5/17/2020 12:53 PM] nullinterface
hey now, that might be deemed an invalid question
[5/17/2020 1:35 PM] yashsedai
Haha
[5/17/2020 1:48 PM] toenolla
I called Mark out on the forums because he threatened me, and since he was on the board I felt so unsafe and unwelcome that I had to quit the space. He didn't like that.
[5/17/2020 1:51 PM] hon1nbo
The fact he fraudulently listed members on his other non-profit is enough on its own to show he has no sense of morals nor decency to run a legitimate one.
And inb4 he says that's a lie: the rejection of appointment in the DMS board minutes, the state forcefully dissolving the nonprofit because of fraudulent appointments, and literally everyone but him from that time says otherwise
[5/17/2020 1:51 PM] toenolla
There was no grievance policy back then. It was the wild west.
[5/17/2020 1:54 PM] aceat64
Remember that time Mark trolled the group building face shields by trying to pretend like he was involved and helping?
[5/17/2020 1:54 PM] aceat64
https://github.com/mrhavens/maker-community-ppe
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[5/17/2020 1:55 PM] mark.randall
We created a grievance process because of your bullshit, Haley.
[5/17/2020 1:55 PM] aceat64
even changed the git commits to his name, very classy
[5/17/2020 1:55 PM] aceat64
inb4 Mark's defense is that the license allows it
[5/17/2020 1:56 PM] mark.randall
LoL... more false narratives. I promoted this and gave you full credit.
[5/17/2020 1:56 PM] aceat64
why not fork the repo and keep the commit history, as is standard for open source forks?
[5/17/2020 1:57 PM] toenolla
(He threatened me because I tried to talk him out of committing DMS to a sketchy financial deal, but I'm sure he doesn't remember that.)
[5/17/2020 1:57 PM] mark.randall
My supporters already think your the Antichrist. But yeah, I gave you full credit anyway.
[5/17/2020 1:57 PM] aceat64
why even have the repo anyway, the entire point of it being open source was so _other groups_ could do a similar thing, not to weirdly try to split the location of documentation for one group
[5/17/2020 1:57 PM] aceat64
of which you are not a part of and have offered no help towards
[5/17/2020 1:58 PM] mark.randall
You made it public domain... and said anyone could use it for whatever they wanted... apparently that didn’t extend to me.
[5/17/2020 1:58 PM] mark.randall
You wanted credit. I have you credit.
[5/17/2020 1:58 PM] aceat64
again, I made it public domain for a pretty clear reason
[5/17/2020 1:59 PM] aceat64
it's not about credit, it's about not trying to confuse people
[5/17/2020 1:59 PM] aceat64
what was your goal in creating it?
[5/17/2020 1:59 PM] aceat64
when it's so much easier to just link to the stuff DMS posted
[5/17/2020 2:00 PM] mark.randall
You’re page looked like shit.
[5/17/2020 2:00 PM] aceat64
pull requests welcome
[5/17/2020 2:00 PM] aceat64
that's called collaboration
[5/17/2020 2:00 PM] mark.randall
Another line of bullshit.
[5/17/2020 2:01 PM] aceat64
how so? the repo is open for anyone to submit pull requests
[5/17/2020 2:01 PM] mark.randall
What difference does it make? I have you full credit and wanted to work alone. Working with you invites drama .
[5/17/2020 2:02 PM] aceat64
if I cared about credit, don't you think I'd be posting livestreams and all kinds of stuff to social media?
[5/17/2020 2:03 PM] mark.randall
If you didn’t care about credit, you would have used an anonymous website.
[5/17/2020 2:03 PM] aceat64
for someone who claims to run a DevOps focused company, you don't seem to understand how git/github/oss work
[5/17/2020 2:03 PM] aceat64
it took more effort to make your clone repo than to just click fork
[5/17/2020 2:04 PM] mark.randall
Yes it did.
[5/17/2020 2:04 PM] aceat64
clearly credit seems to be a very important thing to you, but to the rest of us, we're just trying to make PPE
[5/17/2020 2:04 PM] aceat64
please stop trying to confuse people with your repo
[5/17/2020 2:04 PM] mark.randall
LoL
[5/17/2020 2:05 PM] mark.randall
Dude, you’re full of shit. It’s obvious this is personal.
[5/17/2020 2:05 PM] aceat64
it's funny, because I kept telling people to ignore your trolling on this, they kept wanting me to call you out
[5/17/2020 2:05 PM] mark.randall
Nobody is confused but you.
[5/17/2020 2:08 PM] mark.randall
There’s nothing to call out. If we collaborated on anything, I would have lost support. If you got any PPE at all from my promotion efforts, just be thankful for the support...
[5/17/2020 2:08 PM] mark.randall
People fucking hate you dude.
[5/17/2020 2:08 PM] aceat64
wait, so you care more about politics than building PPE?
[5/17/2020 2:09 PM] aceat64
I don't care what people think about me, I'm happy with my life, my friends and my family
[5/17/2020 2:09 PM] aceat64
hate away
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[5/17/2020 2:09 PM] mark.randall
No, I cared getting PPE, which wouldn’t have happened if we worked together.
[5/17/2020 2:09 PM] aceat64
I do the right thing, even when it's hard or when dumb people want to complain about it, if that causes people to hate me, that's on them
[5/17/2020 2:09 PM] quattroquattro
@mark.randall what Andrew is describing is literally how git is supposed to work. Your way of doing it is definitely shady
[5/17/2020 2:10 PM] aceat64
investigating DMS finances and removing people who stole was the right thing to do, regardless of what those people or their friends believe, theft is wrong
[5/17/2020 2:10 PM] mark.randall
More false narratives. This is all petty personal bullshit.
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] aceat64
lol ok
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] mark.randall
Nobody is talking about theft.
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] mark.randall
Just you.
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] quattroquattro
Why are we wasting our time arguing with him? He's obviously never done anything wrong and everyone else is mistaken
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] aceat64
the only people that hate me are the people who are upset about Kris and Stan, who stole from DMS, why should I care that they hate me?
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] aceat64
I'm waiting for my pizza to finish cooking
[5/17/2020 2:11 PM] aceat64
that's why I'm wasting time lol
[5/17/2020 2:12 PM] quattroquattro
Indeed, if you judge Andrew by the quality of his enemies then he's a pretty good dude.
[5/17/2020 2:12 PM] mark.randall
Making up petty bullshit narratives is all that’s going on here. We go back a long way Andrew.. and only a couple of years of that was pleasant. I moved on, and so should you.
[5/17/2020 2:12 PM] aceat64
clearly
[5/17/2020 2:14 PM] quattroquattro
As mark himself established higher up the thread all evidence against him is false, even when he provided said evidence as he did when he claimed all that noise about the lawsuit that Haley has shown to be false.
[5/17/2020 2:14 PM] michaelb5250
I thought the term was 'wake and bake' not 'wake and bicker'
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[5/17/2020 2:15 PM] quattroquattro
His statement only became made-up petty bullshit when it was shown to be false
[5/17/2020 2:17 PM] mark.randall
Andrew, you’ve been driving a wedge between anyone who doesn’t support your false narratives. You’re not building anything when you do that. You’re not saving the space. You’re tearing it down.
[5/17/2020 2:17 PM] hon1nbo
@mark.randall considering your git caused confusion, and now has created a split in the event of updates, you clearly don't care about actually getting PPE versus some petty personal bullshit you have against andrew
[5/17/2020 2:17 PM] hon1nbo
in crisis divergent information is a core blocker to things getting done. There was not reason to not fork it
[5/17/2020 2:17 PM] mark.randall
LoL.. another avalanche of bullshit
[5/17/2020 2:18 PM] hon1nbo
and we've provided the evidence it's not false narratives, and so far everyone else involved with those events (including those you claimed would back you) have said otherwise
[5/17/2020 2:18 PM] hon1nbo
that's all I'm gonna say here
[5/17/2020 2:18 PM] hon1nbo
this channel is already enough of a dumpster fire today
[5/17/2020 2:20 PM] aceat64
pizzas ready, have fun
[5/17/2020 2:21 PM] mark.randall
Evidence coupled with false narratives is not truth. It’s bullshit. There is no honest commitment to reality from you guys... but Andrew has found his crowd, for sure. Good luck. Leave me out of the drama.
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[5/17/2020 3:05 PM] anutterbutter
? From my perspective I asked a clarifying question (thank you Haley), but all I've heard from Mark are more personal threats.
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[5/17/2020 3:10 PM] anutterbutter
Thanks for calling yourself out, now I know who not to vote for.
[5/17/2020 3:15 PM] toenolla
(I presume the "bullshit" he's referring to up there were my subsequent years of pushing for a grievance process. Guilty as charged I guess.)
[5/17/2020 3:31 PM] doug.emes
This took an hour to read... @Pearce I almost regret asking this, but can we get a raffi channel and a mark Havens channel? And redirect to those... I fear I'll miss out on the other candidates if I mute this channel
[5/17/2020 3:45 PM] michaelb5250
Wasn't this supposed to be the channel for this kind of stuff? I think it got added when Freddy and Draco kept going at it in general